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  • Tyler Boodman

    Yes I agree, to me its great that cameras can do analytics built-in and Nx Witness has plugins to talk to the camera, but what would be even better is let us put GPUs in the server and turn every single camera into smart cameras. With area intrusion (and of course other alarm types) drawn right in the software natively instead of the other brand's camera's software or in the little plugin window.

    Even if we have to buy an "AI Professional License" per camera or something I think that is fair as long as it keeps improving with updates.

    If this is already an existing feature or plugin maybe I am just out of the loop 😂

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  • Vu Nguyen

    +1 vote for this feature, it would be a great benefit to many users such as myself without cameras that support analytics. It would be great not having to replace a whole fleet of cameras to support analytics if NX can do itself instead. I would also be open to paying a license cost to enable this feature per camera.

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  • Ichiro
    • Network Optix team

    Hi 

    Have you had a chance to check the new Nx Toolkit? 
    There is a whole new development tool called Nx AI Manager.

    It is probably fit your request and desire.
    https://www.networkoptix.com/blog/2024/3/21/nx-ai-manager-edge-ai-pipelines-made-easy-and-instantly-scalable

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  • Jeff Jones

    Another example of how this might work is how the open source Frigate NVR system does object detection with the Google Coral M.2 or USB accelerator keys. Those dedicated chips provide a lot more AI processing ability than a regular CPU. And cheaper than most GPU options.

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  • Tyler Boodman

    Has anything changed in this regard? As VMS system installers we aren't interested in spending time installing extra AI manager toolkits/software and managing models (especially on every customer's server machine), we just want a more expensive "AI Professional" camera license and the rest is configured inside Nx Witness (and for my case the white-labeled Wisenet WAVE software). With some recommendations like which GPU/CPU would be best to install in the server.

    For example other companies like Ubiquiti now sell the "Protect AI Port" which convert any camera into an intelligent one. The user just has to buy it and plug it in (and presumably it gets new AI model updates as they become available)

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  • Calvin Wientjes
    • Conversation starter
    • Idea generator

    Tyler Boodman I 100% agree. Hanwha actually did develop this plugin. While it does work on your own hardware its not officially supported and they will not assist you if you have trouble. You can get 30 day trial licenses.

    https://hanwhavisionamerica.com/product/wisenet-wave-ai-plugin/

     

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  • Nikita
    • Network Optix team

    Hello! We're currently focused on improving and delivering AI Manager:

    • We're working on its usability and UI, so it will be easier to set it up on multiple devices at once
    • We are going to include it in Nx at some point so you won't need to install it separately
    • It's currently Linux only, but we're working on other OS support too

    I believe, running on many runtimes and hardwares, it can easily solve your problems of turning devices without analytics into smart devices. But if simple object detection is not enough for your case, AI Manager allows for complex pre- and post-processing, so you can preprocess frames before sending it to a model (which can be also customized, of course), or post-process data from the model, injecting additional data or even chaining models together.

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  • Vu Nguyen

    I've since discovered the CVEDIA-RT plugin and it's awesome. I can highly recommend anyone needing hardware object detection along with intrusion, line crossing capabilites etc. to check it out. The demo license is for 4 channels and lasts a month and the one off licensing cost is way less than replacing cameras.

     

    See https://nxvms.com/integrations/671-cvedia-rt-ai-analytics-plugin 

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  • Vu Nguyen

    I've also found CVEDIA-RT to be lightyears ahead of OpenVino for reliability and accuracy. 

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  • Calvin Wientjes
    • Conversation starter
    • Idea generator

    This is the exact plugin that wisenet wave sells as their AI plugin. It’s MSRP is $170 ish per channel. They only support it officially on their hardware but I’ve seen it work on self hosted systems. 

    What is the cost for the plugin direct from Cvidea?

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  • Vu Nguyen

    Calvin Wientjes wow that is very expensive. For 7 channels in Australia it's only $700 AUD which works out to be $441 USD with the current exchange rate. 

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  • ElectroniSafe - IA-N Analyse

    Hi all,

    coming back to this thread because it describes exactly the gap we built for. Disclosure: I'm the developer of IA-N Analyse (ElectroniSafe, France), listed in the Nx Integration Directory since October (#945).

    It runs on the Nx server and adds analytics to cameras already in Nx, whatever the brand: people and vehicle detection, intrusion zones, line crossing with direction, dwell time, and licence plate reading (French plates today, UK in field test). 

    It is set up inside Nx Witness (Site Administration > Integrations, and zones drawn in the camera settings), with no AI models to manage. Alarms can also go straight to a monitoring centre over SIA DC-09 / Contact ID. 

    Licensing is per camera and per year, and there is a free 30-day trial you start from Nx: https://nxvms.com/integrations/945-ia-n-analyse Feedback from this community is very welcome.

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  • Jeff Jones

    ElectroniSafe - IA-N Analyse - If it is running server side, why a yearly recurring subscription for something that doesn't require resources from you once it has been installed?

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  • ElectroniSafe - IA-N Analyse

    Hi Jeff, fair question, thanks for asking it openly.

    You're right that the analysis runs on your server, not ours. The subscription isn't for compute, it pays for the work that keeps the plugin working over the years:

    - Nx compatibility: Nx ships several releases a year, and analytics plugins have to be rebuilt and re-validated for each one (the 5.1 > 6.0 SDK migration is a good example). We test every release on Nx Witness, Wisenet WAVE and DW Spectrum before customers update, so a VMS update never leaves a site without analytics.
    - Better models: detection accuracy keeps improving and new plate countries are added (UK in field test now, more European countries in training), all included.
    - Security: signed updates with one-click rollback, which is becoming a legal requirement for connected products in Europe (Cyber Resilience Act).
    - Support, from the people who wrote the code.

    A perpetual licence usually means paying again for a "major upgrade" the day a VMS update breaks the plugin. We chose to include that instead.

    For scale: the standard installer price is around 4 EUR per camera per month, and the free 30-day trial lets you judge it on your own cameras first.

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  • David Estabrook

    Using Claude, i started to build a plugin that uses the google Coral TPU, ill post it to github and distribute for free once i've tested it.

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  • Tyler Boodman

    Looking forward to it. I agree Claude is the way in 2026 

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  • Jeff Jones

    David Estabrook - I think the Google Coral TPU is a discontinued product these days. You might have more longevity if you could implement something using Windows ML (to utilize onboard NPUs).

    Of course, if you are on Linux it might not matter as much because I think it is still more like the wild west over there when it comes to machine learning APIs.

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  • David Estabrook

    Yes, but i have one, and there are 100s in stock still with places like Mouser.

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