hardware based object detection.
We need some type of solution that add hardware based object detection to our servers.
integration with something like Codeproject.AI like how Blue Iris has implemented would be ideal. like this https://youtu.be/jqc1ukrkMmI?si=Y07gVeNpLxH58ADe&t=657
TPU/Detection hardware is becoming readily available.
OpenVino is nice, but its implementation is VERY limited. Vehicle, animal, Licence Plate recognition (with events based on pre determined licence plates) is stuff that would set NX apart.
Also detection hardware is getting REALLY cheap.
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Yes I agree, to me its great that cameras can do analytics built-in and Nx Witness has plugins to talk to the camera, but what would be even better is let us put GPUs in the server and turn every single camera into smart cameras. With area intrusion (and of course other alarm types) drawn right in the software natively instead of the other brand's camera's software or in the little plugin window.
Even if we have to buy an "AI Professional License" per camera or something I think that is fair as long as it keeps improving with updates.
If this is already an existing feature or plugin maybe I am just out of the loop 😂
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+1 vote for this feature, it would be a great benefit to many users such as myself without cameras that support analytics. It would be great not having to replace a whole fleet of cameras to support analytics if NX can do itself instead. I would also be open to paying a license cost to enable this feature per camera.
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Hi
Have you had a chance to check the new Nx Toolkit?
There is a whole new development tool called Nx AI Manager.
It is probably fit your request and desire.
https://www.networkoptix.com/blog/2024/3/21/nx-ai-manager-edge-ai-pipelines-made-easy-and-instantly-scalable0 -
Another example of how this might work is how the open source Frigate NVR system does object detection with the Google Coral M.2 or USB accelerator keys. Those dedicated chips provide a lot more AI processing ability than a regular CPU. And cheaper than most GPU options.
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Has anything changed in this regard? As VMS system installers we aren't interested in spending time installing extra AI manager toolkits/software and managing models (especially on every customer's server machine), we just want a more expensive "AI Professional" camera license and the rest is configured inside Nx Witness (and for my case the white-labeled Wisenet WAVE software). With some recommendations like which GPU/CPU would be best to install in the server.
For example other companies like Ubiquiti now sell the "Protect AI Port" which convert any camera into an intelligent one. The user just has to buy it and plug it in (and presumably it gets new AI model updates as they become available)
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Tyler Boodman I 100% agree. Hanwha actually did develop this plugin. While it does work on your own hardware its not officially supported and they will not assist you if you have trouble. You can get 30 day trial licenses.
https://hanwhavisionamerica.com/product/wisenet-wave-ai-plugin/
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Hello! We're currently focused on improving and delivering AI Manager:
- We're working on its usability and UI, so it will be easier to set it up on multiple devices at once
- We are going to include it in Nx at some point so you won't need to install it separately
- It's currently Linux only, but we're working on other OS support too
I believe, running on many runtimes and hardwares, it can easily solve your problems of turning devices without analytics into smart devices. But if simple object detection is not enough for your case, AI Manager allows for complex pre- and post-processing, so you can preprocess frames before sending it to a model (which can be also customized, of course), or post-process data from the model, injecting additional data or even chaining models together.
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I've since discovered the CVEDIA-RT plugin and it's awesome. I can highly recommend anyone needing hardware object detection along with intrusion, line crossing capabilites etc. to check it out. The demo license is for 4 channels and lasts a month and the one off licensing cost is way less than replacing cameras.
See https://nxvms.com/integrations/671-cvedia-rt-ai-analytics-plugin
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I've also found CVEDIA-RT to be lightyears ahead of OpenVino for reliability and accuracy.
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This is the exact plugin that wisenet wave sells as their AI plugin. It’s MSRP is $170 ish per channel. They only support it officially on their hardware but I’ve seen it work on self hosted systems.
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Calvin Wientjes wow that is very expensive. For 7 channels in Australia it's only $700 AUD which works out to be $441 USD with the current exchange rate.
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